Episode 171

Openness Is the New Mindfulness With Jonathan Schooler

Published on: 29th September, 2025

How can we cultivate more openness in our lives? In this episode, Dr. Diana Hill explores this question with cognitive psychologist Dr. Jonathan Schooler on The Wise Effort Show. They delve into the essential role of openness, mind wandering, and curiosity in enhancing creativity, well-being, and empathy. Dr. Schooler shares his insights on the distinctions between openness and mindfulness, the science behind mind wandering, and his theory of consciousness. Learn practical strategies for fostering an open mindset and its profound impact on personal growth and societal change. Don’t miss Dr. Schooler's innovative approaches to nurturing curiosity and his thoughts on the potential of AI in expanding human understanding.

In This Episode, We Explore:

  • Openness vs. Mindfulness
  • Cultivating Curiosity and Openness
  • The Creative Power of Mind Wandering
  • The Role of Resonance in Communication
  • The Impact of AI on Human Curiosity

Suggested Next Episode:

Episode 134: Unconditional Love, Clinging, And The Science Of Letting Go With Dr. Joe Ciarrochi

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    Diana Hill, PhD is a clinical psychologist, international trainer and sought-out speaker on Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and compassion. Host of the podcast Wise Effort with Dr. Diana Hill and author of The Self-Compassion Daily Journal, The ACT Daily Journal, and the upcoming book Wise Effort, Diana works with organizations and individuals to develop psychological flexibility so that they can grow fulfilling and impactful lives.

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